Gel vs AGM: Not Quite the Battle of the Ages, But Nice to Know
What is the difference between gel cell and AGM batteries?
AGM and Gel cell batteries are both non-spillable and maintenance-free batteries that share quite a few common traits. Because of these common traits, they often get mistaken for each other, which can cause issues if the battery is being used in an application that is not ideal for its technology.
In this article, we plan on covering the following:
- Construction Differences
- Common Traits
- AGM Characteristics
- AGM Charging
- AGM Advantages
- Gel Characteristics
- Gel Charging
- Gel Advantages
Construction Differences
AGM Construction
AGM stands for absorbed glass mat, which uses a specially designed glass mat to absorb the battery’s liquid electrolyte surrounding the lead plates. AGM batteries contain enough liquid to keep the matting wet but not too much liquid where excess liquid is not absorbed.
For this reason, AGM batteries are considered non-spillable batteries, and should the case break, no free liquid is available to leak out.
Gel Construction
Gel Cell batteries contain an acid-based silica-type gel electrolyte. This electrolyte has the consistency of a thick paste-like material that allows electrons to flow between plates.
Gel batteries like AGMs are considered non-spillable and will not leak from the battery if the case is broken.
Common Traits
Often, AGM Batteries are mistakenly identified as Gel Cell Batteries, given their non-spillable construction. Both AGM and Gel batteries have similar traits, such as being:
- Non-spillable
- Found in Deep cycle applications
- Mounted on their side or standing up
- Low self-discharge rate
- Safe for use in limited ventilation areas
- May be transported via Air or Ground safely without special handling
AGM Characteristics
AGMs are versatile batteries that tend to outsell Gel batteries by at least 100 to 1. The main reason for their versatility is that they can release high bursts of amps and hold under load at lower depths of discharge.
An AGM's ability to release high bursts of amps makes them ideal for starting applications. Today, you will find starting AGM batteries in Automotive, Marine, RV, Motorcycle, ATV, and other Powersport applications. In fact, most motorcycle and ATV manufacturers primarily use AGM batteries for their OEM batteries.
While AGM batteries use a liquid electrolyte, they do not off-gas like flooded batteries. AGMs are designed to reintroduce the gasses back into the battery, so they are great for applications with limited ventilation. Also, since the batteries do not off-gas, corrosion is non-existent.
An AGM's ability to hold under load at lower depths of discharge gives it an added edge over flooded or gel batteries. Just be aware that AGM batteries typically have the same cycle life as flooded batteries, so excessively discharging the battery can reduce cycle life.
The average AGM brand will see about 500 cycles at 50% depth of discharge, with premium brands like Lifeline Battery seeing 1000+ cycles. If your needs are not extreme, it is worth suitably sizing the battery so it isn’t discharged over 50%.
Charging an AGM Battery
Since AGM batteries use liquid electrolyte, they can typically be charged with the same charger you used on your flooded batteries. In most cases, a good-quality standard battery charger or engine alternator using a battery isolator is all you will need for an AGM battery.
The only issue you might need to address regarding charging is that more advanced charges might have an equalization setting. Since the electrolyte in an AGM battery is suspended in the fiberglass matting, there is no reason to equalize the battery so that this setting can be disabled.
If you have a newer charger with an AGM setting, we recommend using this setting, as it will typically disable the charger's equalization setting.
AGM Advantages
While not a complete list, these are the main advantages of AGM batteries:
- Low self-discharge rate
- Ability to hold under load at lower depths of discharge.
- Ability to release high bursts of amp.
- Used in both Starting and Deep Cycle Applications
- No need for a special charger means they can easily replace a flooded battery.
- Non-spillable
- No corrosion
Gel Characteristics
Due to their construction, Gel Cell Batteries are typically a bit more costly. However, gel batteries excel in cycle life, with some higher-end lines like MK Battery offering up to 2x the cycle life at a 50% depth of discharge over the average AGM battery.
Gel batteries react slower than AGM or Flooded batteries. This slower reaction time has the positive effect of increasing cycle life and slowing the battery's aging process.
For this reason, we find them being used exclusively by mobility devices like electric wheelchairs and scooters. We also find gel batteries great for marine and RV applications, where the batteries tend to get excessively discharged.
GEL Limitations
Gel cell batteries, however, do have a couple of caveats that people need to be aware of when deciding whether to go with an AGM or Gel battery.
First, gel batteries are typically only recommended for moderate deep-cycle applications as they cannot release high amounts of amps like an AGM or flooded battery. In other words, we would not recommend a gel battery for an application like a winch that requires a 100+ amp draw.
Second, due to their slower reaction time, the same group-size battery tends to be lower in capacity than an AGM or Flooded Battery. For instance, MK’s group 27 AGM battery is rated at 92 AH, whereas the MK group 27 gel battery is rated at 88 AH. This slight reduction is usually an insignificant loss, but it is something that you should keep in mind if your needs are extreme.
Charging A Gel Battery
Lastly, most gel batteries require a gel-specific charger since they charge a few tenths of a volt lower than most AGM or flooded batteries. If you're leaning towards a gel battery, pay special attention to the charging range your gel battery accepts.
In some cases, you may need to upgrade your charger to a gel-specific charger. Otherwise, using the incorrect charger can result in premature failure. If you need help selecting a proper charger for your gel battery, contact our tech department.
Gel Advantages
Besides the common traits above, the following are some of the more significant gel battery advantages:
- Ages slower in warm weather
- Freeze resistant
- Very low self-discharge rate
- Higher cycle life
- Tolerates excessive discharge better than a flooded or AGM.
If you are unsure which battery or charger is best for your application, please call or email our tech people for help making the correct selection
124 people commented, Tech, John, Ralph Alexander, TECH, and 120 others
This article is rated 4.7 out of 5
JohnI would like a recommendation on AGM battery that will run a 12v deisel heater for at least 20 hours run time. Thx,John
Reply • Rated article 5 • January 12, 2025 at 6:04 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • January 12, 2025 at 6:04 am
BatteryStuff TechJohn, I would recommend using our 12v Battery Runtime Calculator. It will tell you what size battery you need based on the amp draw of your heater.
Reply • January 31, 2025 at 9:24 am
Reply • January 31, 2025 at 9:24 am
Ralph AlexanderI’m looking at refurbishing a ford think EV to be used on my lake property.
I’m leaving towards a Gel 90 Ah.
Living in Manitoba Canada.
We have 6-7 months of use at best !
Would the difference between a Gel 90 Ah or Gel 100 Ah make much of a significant difference? My ford think is a 72 volt EV so I require 6 twelve volt batteries.
Any advice offered would be welcomed as I’ve bought this EV used and never driven it yet but will have it ready for summer 2025 ! Thanks
Reply • Rated article 5 • January 1, 2025 at 9:40 pm
Reply • Rated article 5 • January 1, 2025 at 9:40 pm
BatteryStuff TechRealistically, the two are pretty close in capacity. Ultimately, you don't want to discharge the batteries below 50%. Otherwise, you start to excessively discharge them. While gels can handle excessive discharge better, we tend to err on the side of caution, so if the higher capacity is within the budget, I would suggest going that way.
Reply • January 31, 2025 at 9:53 am
Reply • January 31, 2025 at 9:53 am
Michael S DiamondI have an king quad 400asi 2018 4x4 and I'm looking for a battery
Reply • Rated article 5 • September 30, 2024 at 6:26 pm
Reply • Rated article 5 • September 30, 2024 at 6:26 pm
TECHWe do have a 2018 Suzuki 400cc LT-A400 King Quad ATV page. As it doesn't list the ASI I would suggest pulling the battery and contacting us with the part number so we can make a comparable recommendation.
Reply • October 2, 2024 at 10:03 am
Reply • October 2, 2024 at 10:03 am
Simon AlbrechtI live in Australia and currently 6 months into 12 month lap around Australia in our Caravan that we purchased back in 2019. Currently our van runs the usual LED lights, TV and water pump and I have added diesel heater, Starlink and 2000w inverter.
When we are off grid which is around 50% of the time, these are powered by 2 - 100 AH Ritar 12-100 DG Gel batteries which now are around 5 years old. Starlink draws 5 amps when in use and up to 10 amps in combination with the TV and a few lights etc. It takes a long time for the Gel batteries to bounce back when we are charging them back up after using them for say 5 - 7 hours off grid.
Considering replacing these with either new Gel or AGM if your advice that newer batteries would improve the charge holding capacity compared to the 5 year old batteries?
I also note your statement that regarding Gel batteries that don't behave or respond well with high current draw, such as when we run the 2000w inverter for the 800w toaster or 900w microwave (or both simultaneously). Are we damaging the Gel batteries using the inverter and would this benefit from changing to AGM batteries?
Looking for a long term solution that suits good life span and sporadic high current draw.
Thank you.
Reply • Rated article 5 • July 4, 2024 at 11:17 pm
Reply • Rated article 5 • July 4, 2024 at 11:17 pm
TECHThe average lifespan of a gel or AGM battery is typically 3 to 5 years. Gel batteries have the advantage of a higher cycle life, so given your success and use, you probably should stick with gel batteries. I wouldn't be concerned with a 1900-watt load for short intervals, as the gel should be able to handle that without issue. AGMs are great for those that do not excessively discharge. In the case where they are excessively discharged, they do have the ability to hold under load better than a gel or wet cell; however, this can harm their cycle life. Five years is a lot on a gel or AGM, so you just might be experiencing longer charge times because the batteries sulfated. You could try to get an onboard desulfator and see if that helps the issue, or it might just be time to get a new set of gel batteries.
Reply • September 27, 2024 at 2:52 pm
Reply • September 27, 2024 at 2:52 pm
Jason JamesI live in Australia have a 18ft caravan with led lights, 12v teli, deisel heater and 300w inverter that rarely gets used . It is charged by a 180watt panel through a mppt charger currently have a agm 120ah battery but have been offered a 22ah gel battery wat would be better for my van ? And can a gel battery be put in side under a bed
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 11, 2024 at 10:26 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 11, 2024 at 10:26 am
TECHI would suggest staying with the AGM as the 22 AH gel battery would be a significant loss in capacity.
Reply • April 3, 2024 at 9:01 am
Reply • April 3, 2024 at 9:01 am
Roger G BoalWhat's the best battery to replace a failed battery in a portable jump box. Thanks
Reply • Rated article 5 • February 22, 2024 at 11:58 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • February 22, 2024 at 11:58 am
TECHMost lead acid-based jump starters use a sealed, non-spillable lead acid battery as they have a much higher cranking than a gel battery. We recommend our CSB Batteries as they are a high quality battery often used for backup purposes in data centers.
Reply • February 22, 2024 at 1:20 pm
Reply • February 22, 2024 at 1:20 pm
Ron HancockWhich battery is best for my 07 rv? I want something better then flooded batteries. I have a Wfco wf-8945pec converter in my camper.
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 23, 2023 at 5:09 pm
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 23, 2023 at 5:09 pm
TECHA gel battery would be the best if you want the highest cycle life. However, they can not hold under load when excessively discharged, as well as an AGM can. If you know you are going to discharge your battery excessively then an AGM would be the best battery.
Reply • Rated article 5 • April 28, 2023 at 9:03 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • April 28, 2023 at 9:03 am
Ronni1ewixThanks
Reply • Rated article 5 • September 24, 2021 at 2:06 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • September 24, 2021 at 2:06 am
RonOn my battery charger. It gives me a choice of automotive, standard gel and on other with initials. I have a seven year old craftsman riding mower. Where on the battery can I find it’s true name?
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 27, 2020 at 11:09 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 27, 2020 at 11:09 am
BatteryStuff TechRealistically, older chargers like that may or may not work for a lawn mower battery. Most lawn mower batteries are about 30 AH battery, and some of these older chargers output 10 amp or higher. Ideally for a 30AH lawn mower battery it should be charged with a 3 to 5 amp charger, but may be charged with a charger up to about 7.5 amps. I think you may need to do a little more research to see what amperage your charger is outputting. Most lawn mower batteries are a flooded battery, but you need to find that information on the battery to be sure, or contact the manufacturer of the battery if you cannot tell.
Reply • Rated article 5 • June 15, 2020 at 12:57 pm
Reply • Rated article 5 • June 15, 2020 at 12:57 pm
Tim CarusoWhere can I find this Gell cell special Regulator for my boat, I have a 65 amp alternator and want to charge two gel cell batteries ( one starter and one house) and they are currently hooked up to a blue sea “add a battery “ switch and automatic charging relay.
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 20, 2020 at 4:42 pm
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 20, 2020 at 4:42 pm
BatteryStuff TechUnfortunately, we do not sell alternator or regulators, so I would suggest contacting another source. I would also verify your battery type is really a true GEL battery. Sealed AGM's such as Optima batteries and Odyssey Batteries are often mistaken for gel batteries when they are actually an AGM. Most starting sealed batteries are typically an AGM's due to their high cranking abilities. Gel's are typically not starting batteries since their chemical reaction is slower, so they do not have high cranking.
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 21, 2020 at 9:13 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 21, 2020 at 9:13 am
Lowell SchnipperI am buying batteries for use in a hospital in sub Saharan Africa. Non gel batteries are less costly. They currently use gel batteries. Which is preferred for this environment?
Reply • Rated article 5 • February 25, 2020 at 5:28 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • February 25, 2020 at 5:28 am
TECHGel batteries are better in higher ambient temperatures. If they are going to be stored outside of a climate controlled room, then gels would be better in a warm environment.
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 6, 2020 at 10:08 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 6, 2020 at 10:08 am
CozaGreat article, thanks.
I want to use a battery as a leisure battery in a van (12v system). It will be charged using a voltage sensitive split charge relay. I live in Spain and it gets hot during the summer.
1 Which is better, GEL or AGM (with heat, Split charge)?
2 Is it a problem that the main battery is a wet acid one and the leisure a different type? Much thanks, Coza
Reply • July 1, 2016 at 5:52 am
2 Is it a problem that the main battery is a wet acid one and the leisure a different type? Much thanks, Coza
Reply • July 1, 2016 at 5:52 am
BatteryStuff TechAn AGM would most likely be your best bet, but be aware that most battery isolator require both batteries to be of the same chemistry, otherwise the isolator has difficulty charging them accurately. Most people go with an AGM, as they can also find an AGM type for the under the hood starting battery.
Reply • January 19, 2017 at 10:40 am
Reply • January 19, 2017 at 10:40 am
ErnestVery good and informative article. Thanks!
I left the key in my motorbike at ON position for a week or so (light on), and now my GS GT12B-4 battery, which I think is an AGM one, is at 1.2V. Do you think will I be able to recharge it? If so, which charging method should I look for or tell the tech to apply?
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 21, 2016 at 10:03 am
I left the key in my motorbike at ON position for a week or so (light on), and now my GS GT12B-4 battery, which I think is an AGM one, is at 1.2V. Do you think will I be able to recharge it? If so, which charging method should I look for or tell the tech to apply?
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 21, 2016 at 10:03 am
BatteryStuff TechI would suggest a charging method similar to our Warranty Test we have online in our article called: How Does the Powersports Battery Warranty Work? You don’t need to worry about the volt readings, and if the battery at the end turns your bike over you know you have a good battery. If at the end it doesn’t then it is time to replace the battery.
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 26, 2016 at 8:00 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 26, 2016 at 8:00 am
FrankI am runing 24volt sukam inverter connected to a pair of 12volts 100AH powerwave AGM battery for 11 months now, but recently my battery charging time take les than 2 hour to fill up and the discharge time is also les than 2 hour why running same AC load that normally use to last for up to five hour. Thou for some time I’hve been using my 3kva gen to charge the battery throu my inverter due to reguler power failure, pls help is my battery dead or is d gen the problem
Reply • Rated article 1 • May 15, 2016 at 11:51 pm
Reply • Rated article 1 • May 15, 2016 at 11:51 pm
BatteryStuff TechIf you are discharging your batteries beyond 50% the life expectancy isn’t long. I would first ensure your battery pack is correctly sized by using our calculators. If you only know the AC Load I would first use the Calculator | AC to DC amperage conversion run through an Inverter. After you have the DC Amp draw you can use our Calculator | Sizing a 12 Volt Battery to a Load.
Reply • May 19, 2016 at 11:58 am
Reply • May 19, 2016 at 11:58 am
JimTMy question relates to using AGM batteries in an RV. Knowing that AGM and flooded batteries use different charging algorithms, is it a problem to use a flooded starter battery under the hood and AGM batteries for the house circuit? If so, which battery or batteries would be hurt with this set up?
Reply • Rated article 4 • April 23, 2016 at 12:32 pm
Reply • Rated article 4 • April 23, 2016 at 12:32 pm
TECHIf you want the altenator to charge the battery via a battery isolator then it is recommend to have the batteries the same chemistry, or risk damage to one battery. As far as what battery would become damaged I cannot say, but one will most likely get overcharged. My assumption would be the flooded, but it depends on the AGM as some AGM’s can take a much hotter charge.
Reply • Rated article 5 • April 25, 2016 at 8:57 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • April 25, 2016 at 8:57 am
Dale DomanWhat a great site. How refreshing to be able to read information that was readable, understandable and relevant.
I started out just wanting to know the difference between acid flooded and gel and glass-mat batteries to be able to replace the oem battery on my motorcycle; ended up reading to the end. Very nicely done!
Reply • April 12, 2016 at 7:41 am
I started out just wanting to know the difference between acid flooded and gel and glass-mat batteries to be able to replace the oem battery on my motorcycle; ended up reading to the end. Very nicely done!
Reply • April 12, 2016 at 7:41 am
SinghHi, i want to install a deep cycle battery in SUV located in india. I live in uk and the car is run for a month or two in a year. I doubt if i could get an AGM or GEL in india, so may have to carry one from abroad. Reading your artical i understand AGM may be more transport friendly. I will check the same for Gel with the air authorites.
I am wondering which battery would survive the heat of india? I am willing to install Gel as the charge will frequently drop below 50%. But will split charge system work with gel?
Many thanks
Reply • Rated article 5 • November 28, 2014 at 10:30 am
I am wondering which battery would survive the heat of india? I am willing to install Gel as the charge will frequently drop below 50%. But will split charge system work with gel?
Many thanks
Reply • Rated article 5 • November 28, 2014 at 10:30 am
BatteryStuff TechBatteries in general do not like heat. When a battery is in an hotter environment the chemical reaction in the battery speeds up, and in turn increases the sulfation process. GEL batteries do tend to hold up a bit better in these conditions, but higher heat in general equals a shorter life.
Reply • December 29, 2014 at 1:24 pm
Reply • December 29, 2014 at 1:24 pm
BLESSINGGood day to you. I bought two batteries (deep cycle) to operate my inverter, but after using it for 7months I observed a sharp drop in the in the battery performance. Presently, it can hardly serve for three hour with same loading that it use to take when it was new.i felt bad about it because it falls short of the assurance that the seller gave to me on the battery, hence I’m trying to find out from u guys about which one I should buy next that would at least give me value for my money.
Reply • Rated article 2 • November 22, 2014 at 3:18 am
Reply • Rated article 2 • November 22, 2014 at 3:18 am
BatteryStuff TechI would recommend you use our Calculator | AC to DC amperage conversion run through an Inverter to determine if you are selecting the right batteries. You do not want to discharge a battery pack below 50% or you will be in essence taking life out of the battery.
Reply • Rated article 5 • December 26, 2014 at 9:22 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • December 26, 2014 at 9:22 am
WillemHi,a question, I have 4 optima Yellow top batteries of 75ah, they will get charged by 3 solar panels, 480wp in total, so I need a solar charger/controller of 40Amps. The controller I almost ordered doesn’t have an AGM setting, only SEALED/FLOODED and GEL. Is this the wrong controller or what setting would be ok for AGM. Thanks.
Reply • Rated article 5 • November 18, 2014 at 8:41 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • November 18, 2014 at 8:41 am
BatteryStuff TechI would contact the manufacturer of the controller, as most AGM batteries can be charged at the same rate as a Flooded. But do check with them directly to be sure they don’t have an underlined reason why they are not giving that option.
Reply • Rated article 5 • November 19, 2014 at 2:45 pm
Reply • Rated article 5 • November 19, 2014 at 2:45 pm
YasirI am glad to find this page and got many new information, I have been working on the solar projects and I have need to buy batteries from china for the systems, and this forum made my mind to take GEL batteries before that we were working on lead acid batteries.
Sometime we have low power load like led bulbs and fan, but sometime we have heavy load for the batteries, what do you think GEL is suitable for these both systems ???
Reply • October 21, 2014 at 4:05 am
Sometime we have low power load like led bulbs and fan, but sometime we have heavy load for the batteries, what do you think GEL is suitable for these both systems ???
Reply • October 21, 2014 at 4:05 am
BatteryStuff Techspan class="caps">AGM is preferred when a high burst of amps may be required, so if your high load fits into category then AGM would be the preferred battery.
Reply • Rated article 5 • November 18, 2014 at 12:41 pm
Reply • Rated article 5 • November 18, 2014 at 12:41 pm
TERRY TABBI have a 40’ diesel pusher motor home with (2) 12 v engine batteries, (2) 6 v coach batteries, and (4) 6 v inverter batteries. the engine batteries are not a problem however the (6) 6 volt batteries are driving me crazy. I want what ever is best that is no maintenance. I have cooked more batteries by letting them run out of water than I care to admit. the coach might set for (2) or (3) months at a time which I normally leave plugged in so it stays charged. every now and then I will camp where there is no electricity and the coach batteries will run down low and then I will run the generator to recharge them.HELP – WHAT BATTERIES DO I NEED?
Reply • October 8, 2014 at 2:01 pm
Reply • October 8, 2014 at 2:01 pm
BatteryStuff Techspan class="caps">AGM batteries would be your best bet if you don’t want the hassle of maintaining the water levels. I would also look into your charger/converter to make sure it is at least a 3 stage charger. Often this is where manufacturers cheap out and only utilize a one stage chargers, which will burn out batteries, even AGM’s.
Reply • Rated article 5 • November 18, 2014 at 7:30 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • November 18, 2014 at 7:30 am
Al Millergreat read thanks.
Trying to retrofit dodge sprinter with auxillary battery for inverter, battery needs to go inside vehicle under passenger seat. want to use gel for fumes issue but alternator will charge both when isolator is on. any ideas on how to charge the gel seperatly?
We would require more information about your situation. Please contact one of our techs at tech@batterystuff.com.
Reply • October 1, 2014 at 8:30 pm
Reply • October 1, 2014 at 8:30 pm
HoraceMy god I am so glad that I finally found the answer for many of my question here regarding in particular the AGM batteries. Thanks os much for this well written and simple explained facts about the different types of batteries.
I will like to buy me a battery load tester and was inclined to buy the MIDTRONICS PBT300. Reading reviews,someone
is pointing out that this tester is NOT GOOD FOR AGM BATTERIES.
Is there a valid reason for this statement?. Are AGM batteries different for load testing than others?.
Thanks in advance for answering
Reply • September 12, 2014 at 12:02 am
I will like to buy me a battery load tester and was inclined to buy the MIDTRONICS PBT300. Reading reviews,someone
is pointing out that this tester is NOT GOOD FOR AGM BATTERIES.
Is there a valid reason for this statement?. Are AGM batteries different for load testing than others?.
Thanks in advance for answering
Reply • September 12, 2014 at 12:02 am
TECHA load tester simulates a load to the battery to verify that it is meeting its original design. It is not like a charger that needs to be set to a specific battery chemistry. However some of the higher end models might get into battery chemistry, so as always suggest looking at an owners manual before purchasing.
Reply • Rated article 5 • September 25, 2014 at 10:53 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • September 25, 2014 at 10:53 am
BatteryStuff TechAccording to the info provided, you are looking at about 180AH to run that for 3 hours to 50% discharged. AGm would be recommended.
Reply • June 27, 2014 at 8:45 am
Reply • June 27, 2014 at 8:45 am
Ihab ChaabanHi, I have a 24V APS system and I use it for home lighting and watching TV. All lights and TVs are LED, and if I turn ON all lights and TVs at the same time (Full Load) the consumption is 3Amps AC output.
1- what type of batteries do you suggest to use for this purpose?
2- how many Amps hours batteries size I need to have at least 3 hours lighting for 50% battery discharge(take into consideration that I don’t need to turn ON all lights and TVs at the same time)
Reply • Rated article 5 • June 27, 2014 at 5:55 am
1- what type of batteries do you suggest to use for this purpose?
2- how many Amps hours batteries size I need to have at least 3 hours lighting for 50% battery discharge(take into consideration that I don’t need to turn ON all lights and TVs at the same time)
Reply • Rated article 5 • June 27, 2014 at 5:55 am
Chauncey M Freeman,SCPO,USN,RETIREDspan class="caps">EXCELLENT, Just absolutely outstanding. Most articles require a soul to be a Rocket Scientist to understand what one is reading. Those such articles are usually written by people whom wish to sound to be more intelligent than they actually are. Thank you who prepared this article. I am in process of purchasing a VALDETTARO Built 190 Ton, 34 Meter Steel Sailing Yacht. One of the first things I shall do is get rid of all Her GEL BATTERIES and replace all with oversize AGM BATTERIES. I would love to locate an article that is just as well written as this one, but about the Real PROS and CONS of having SOLAR PANELS ABOARD for charging batteries. I cannot seem to get a straight answer on that subject, but with Solar Chargers getting better every day, it seems to this old Navy Senior Chief Retired, that there should be an advantage in having solar panels helping out that Diesel Fuel Guzzling Kitty Cat Caterpillar 3196 490 bhp. I do not know what I would do if that Kitty Cat required a sand box also. Again I say Thank You who did an excellent job writing the article comparing GEL Batteries to AGM Batteries. If I were still in the Navy I’d recommend you for a KITA. (Just Joking like all Navy Chiefs do) Chauncey M Freeman, Senior Chief Moanback, U.S.Navy,Retired (What did you say? What is a Senior Chief Moanback you asked? He is that Ole Chief standing down yonder on the pier shouting up to the Captain on the bridge of the IKE, “MMMOOOAAANNNBBBAAACCCKKK”
Reply • May 24, 2014 at 2:51 am
Reply • May 24, 2014 at 2:51 am
ChrisWhat type of battery would you suggest for a classic muscle car with a 327 small block? Car only gets driven on weekends. And would a battery tender brand charger be a good choice to keep it charged?
Reply • May 15, 2014 at 4:23 pm
Reply • May 15, 2014 at 4:23 pm
AdminChris, unfortunately, this falls outside of our expertise. The manufacturer should have a required CCA rating for the starter. The Battery Tender will work great.
Reply • May 16, 2014 at 2:15 pm
Reply • May 16, 2014 at 2:15 pm
WayneHi,
I have a VMAX V30-800 AGM Battery 28AH Marine RV Deep Cycle HI Performance Battery used for a trolling motor. Can I use my Diehard charger to charge it? Settings are conventional or maintenance free / Deep cycle. Choice of 2, 10, or 50 amp (start) and is an auto charger.
Also how long can I expect the battery to last just trolling around?
Thank you.
Reply • May 9, 2014 at 7:01 pm
Reply • May 9, 2014 at 7:01 pm
AdminPlease email tech@batterystuff.com with your question. thanks
Reply • May 12, 2014 at 12:09 pm
Reply • May 12, 2014 at 12:09 pm
KevinOutfitting a VW non-camper van with an auxiliary battery system. Installed an isolator solenoid so that when the car is keyed off I can draw from the auxiliary battery using the inverter without working about whether my crank battery will go dead. When I key on, the isolator reconnects both batteries (through the fuse panel) and my auxiliary battery begins charging from the alternator. PROBLEM: the crank battery is a flooded battery and the auxiliary battery I installed is a gel. Can my alternator charge both the flooded and the gel as I’d hoped? Note that as soon as I installed the aux battery, my alternator failed…I think the voltage regulator in it went kaput. Waiting to install a new alternator until I know if my battery combination is just going to blow that one too. Thanks.
Reply • April 26, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Reply • April 26, 2014 at 1:19 pm
AdminPlease email tech@batterystuff.com with your technical question.
Reply • May 12, 2014 at 12:08 pm
Reply • May 12, 2014 at 12:08 pm
RitaVery helpful, thank you. I use gel batteries in my electric wheelchair and my question is about storage. If I ‘store’ my chair (ie it sits in the carage while I drive my other chair) will the batteries be damaged in any way?
Thank you.
Rita
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 17, 2014 at 12:27 pm
Rita
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 17, 2014 at 12:27 pm
BatteryStuff TechRita, anytime you store a lead based battery be it gell, AGM or flooded, you will need to keep it charged or it can get damaged.
Reply • May 12, 2014 at 12:07 pm
Reply • May 12, 2014 at 12:07 pm
SohailHi
I’ve a 24V 1KVA UPS to compansate unplannedad load shading for domestic load. Previously I was using 2×12V flooded led acid batteries. But now I’m planning to install sealed batteries. 100Ah AGM and GEL batteries are available to me as linked http://solaratics.com/#tab-2. But I’m confused about selection between AGM, GEL and floaded led acid one. UPS charger is 5 step stady current type, to charge boost and then floating. But all levels of charging voltage, current, discharging current and DOD are reprogramable.
Here I need your help about
1- selection of battery between three types
2- if AGM or GEL type what would be settings of maximum charging voltage boost and then floating current limits and also set point for depth of discharge (DOD) Waiting for your response
Reply • March 12, 2014 at 1:17 pm
I’ve a 24V 1KVA UPS to compansate unplannedad load shading for domestic load. Previously I was using 2×12V flooded led acid batteries. But now I’m planning to install sealed batteries. 100Ah AGM and GEL batteries are available to me as linked http://solaratics.com/#tab-2. But I’m confused about selection between AGM, GEL and floaded led acid one. UPS charger is 5 step stady current type, to charge boost and then floating. But all levels of charging voltage, current, discharging current and DOD are reprogramable.
Here I need your help about
1- selection of battery between three types
2- if AGM or GEL type what would be settings of maximum charging voltage boost and then floating current limits and also set point for depth of discharge (DOD) Waiting for your response
Reply • March 12, 2014 at 1:17 pm
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Reply • May 12, 2014 at 12:06 pm
Reply • May 12, 2014 at 12:06 pm
TomCan I use gel battery for house bank and Agm for starting bank
Port engine charges the house and starboard charges the cranking bank, however the onboard charger charges both banks from shore power
The cranking batteries are gell now , but need replacing, they stopped taking a charge
Both banks can be connected in an emergency
AGM are half the price of gell and the diesels need a lot of amps to crank
Reply • March 9, 2014 at 9:12 pm
Port engine charges the house and starboard charges the cranking bank, however the onboard charger charges both banks from shore power
The cranking batteries are gell now , but need replacing, they stopped taking a charge
Both banks can be connected in an emergency
AGM are half the price of gell and the diesels need a lot of amps to crank
Reply • March 9, 2014 at 9:12 pm
CaneExcellent article.
Reply • December 26, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Reply • December 26, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Pablo FrancoExcellent information, but I still have a doubt, when specified “Valve Regulated lead acid battery” which tipe it is? AGM, GEL or normal bat.
Thanks
Reply • Rated article 5 • December 3, 2013 at 11:26 am
Thanks
Reply • Rated article 5 • December 3, 2013 at 11:26 am
Arden KasnerThank you for all your work explaining batteries in layman terms. You are an expert in your field and need to be recognized. This comes from a Delco trained repairman.
Reply • Rated article 5 • August 23, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Reply • Rated article 5 • August 23, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Gary WeglarzVery Helpful.
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 24, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 24, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Tomhi,i am installing hydropower in my camp and in winter time i cant use but temp goes down to 20 to 30 below.wich type of battery would be best form my app.can i let them sit useless on low temp???
Reply • May 10, 2013 at 5:33 am
Reply • May 10, 2013 at 5:33 am
Jeremy FearBoth AGM and Gel will work in up to (or down to?) -40 deg f.
Reply • May 20, 2013 at 8:01 am
Reply • May 20, 2013 at 8:01 am
James GroveCan you mix GEL and AGM batteries in the same charging system? Ie Can you link 2 104aH batteries in parallel ?
Thanks
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 7, 2013 at 11:28 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • May 7, 2013 at 11:28 am
Jeremy FearThat is not advised.
Reply • May 7, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Reply • May 7, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Bashir AdamuFolks. My battery application is mostly for solar remote lighting and power back-up in Nigeria. As discussed by some people earlier. AGM being more fluid in nature, responds better to high power draw than Gel that is more sluggish. However, for slower discharge like constant current (solar lighting for eg), Gel battery is far more superior, from my experience. But generally, Can those of you who think that AGM and Gel batteries have similar lifespans explain to me why the cycle life vs discharge depths (say 50%) reported by most manufacturers show a much shorter lifespan for AGM batteries than Gel?
Reply • May 6, 2013 at 1:14 am
Reply • May 6, 2013 at 1:14 am
Jeremy FearGel batteries have the ability to discharge to a deeper level, approx. 80%, than AGM batteries. On the flip side, AGM batteries hold up to abuse much better than Gel batteries. If you take care of your batteries, Gel batteries have a very good cycle life.
Reply • May 6, 2013 at 11:38 am
Reply • May 6, 2013 at 11:38 am
LarryWhat YTX9BS battery is recomended for my Honda EU3000is Generator ?
Thank You LJD
Reply • April 24, 2013 at 11:26 am
Reply • April 24, 2013 at 11:26 am
Jeremy FearThe Scorpion will work for your generator. :)
Reply • April 24, 2013 at 11:48 am
Reply • April 24, 2013 at 11:48 am
DANIELI have 2 100w solar panels with a 30amp charge controller. I was wondering if it‘s ok to connect it to a 31-AGM 12volt 100ah battery? will the charger controller be ok to charge this battery
Reply • April 10, 2013 at 8:59 am
Reply • April 10, 2013 at 8:59 am
Jeremy FearThat will work to charge that.
Reply • April 10, 2013 at 11:16 am
Reply • April 10, 2013 at 11:16 am
AndrewSo long as 5 is the top rating as the stuff here is great and the tech excellent. I am just trying to work out what type of battery to put into my Moto Guzzi Le Mans. At the moment it is a Hawker Energy ODYSSEY – made in the USA. The Guzzi is getting a little slow to crank over so i want to know the best type of system to get. This has helped me greatly but if i could get some further guidance it would be great. The bike gets a reasonable amount of use and normally 100km/ride.
Cheers,
Andrew
Reply • April 4, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Cheers,
Andrew
Reply • April 4, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Jeremy FearOdyssey batteries are excellend and should work well for applications where the OEM battery is hard pressed to start the engine.
Reply • April 8, 2013 at 8:10 am
Reply • April 8, 2013 at 8:10 am
JohnI have just purchased a new caravan which is fitted with a 80AH wet cell and an MX25Charger (240V), a solar regulator that can be adjusted for different types of batteries, and is charged from the tow vehicle alternator when travelling directly. I am thinking of putting the wet cell in the car and purchasing a Gell or AGM for the van with a higher AH capacity. Would I have to change the MX charger (240V) and/or fit a regulator of some description between the alternator and battery?
Regards/John
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 22, 2013 at 4:39 am
Regards/John
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 22, 2013 at 4:39 am
Jeremy FearYou would certainly need an isolator of some sort to correctly charge the aux battery without over/under charging the starting battery, as well as to prevent the starting batttery from being leeched from.
Reply • March 25, 2013 at 7:48 am
Reply • March 25, 2013 at 7:48 am
AnthonyLooking for some help. I work for a company that sells commercial cleaning equipment and many of the machines use deep cycle batteries like the ones being discussed here. We have a customer who purchased a machine that came equiped with 2 12v “wet” batteries and a digital on-board charger. They would like to upgrade to AGM batteries. The machine has a dipswitch in the control handle that can be switched to “wet” or “gel” and the charger has a sequence of dipswitches that can be adjusted for either as well. Since there is no AGM option, would I be better off leaving the machine set to operate/charge “wet” or switching the settings to “gel”? Any advice is greatly appreciated!
Reply • March 20, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Reply • March 20, 2013 at 12:00 pm
StratmannHallo friends,
some of your comments are not compatitable with my experiences. Let me tell following
story: A user installed an AGM-battery into his emergency devices and after 15 years the battery was still working. He told it to his Golf-friends and every body installed
such a battery into his caddy. But the life of this batteries was lower now than 1 year. What was the reason ? This user did‘nt tell his friends, that the emergency-case never happened and the caddyuser discharged and recharded every day. The lowest point of discharge should be 70 % from 100 %, because the deeper you discharge the shorter is the life of an AGM-battery. I try to explain this as follows: Real AGM-batteries are made with the same thin plates as for starting purpose. Very clear, because it is a Starterbattery which shall give high power and for this high
power you need surface.
Why do you want to pay for something, which you do‘nt need. For Semitraction purpose
it is not neccessary to get high power. You need Ah, nothing else. If you have to chose between starting application and Semitraction applications than you should decide only between normal lead/acid and a GEL-battery. AGM is designed only for many electrical users and for start/stop, not for Semitraction. But this is, as many other things, mostly a question of experience. Who has the big pocket, can make expensive experiences. (Excused my bad english, I am only a German.
regards
Klaus Stratmann
GELBatt GmbH
Germany
Reply • March 11, 2013 at 12:22 am
some of your comments are not compatitable with my experiences. Let me tell following
story: A user installed an AGM-battery into his emergency devices and after 15 years the battery was still working. He told it to his Golf-friends and every body installed
such a battery into his caddy. But the life of this batteries was lower now than 1 year. What was the reason ? This user did‘nt tell his friends, that the emergency-case never happened and the caddyuser discharged and recharded every day. The lowest point of discharge should be 70 % from 100 %, because the deeper you discharge the shorter is the life of an AGM-battery. I try to explain this as follows: Real AGM-batteries are made with the same thin plates as for starting purpose. Very clear, because it is a Starterbattery which shall give high power and for this high
power you need surface.
Why do you want to pay for something, which you do‘nt need. For Semitraction purpose
it is not neccessary to get high power. You need Ah, nothing else. If you have to chose between starting application and Semitraction applications than you should decide only between normal lead/acid and a GEL-battery. AGM is designed only for many electrical users and for start/stop, not for Semitraction. But this is, as many other things, mostly a question of experience. Who has the big pocket, can make expensive experiences. (Excused my bad english, I am only a German.
regards
Klaus Stratmann
GELBatt GmbH
Germany
Reply • March 11, 2013 at 12:22 am
BatteryStuff Techspan class="caps">AGM technology has nothing to do with the thickness of the plates. Your are correct, starting batteries have thin plates. Flooded, AGM, and even some gel batteries (rare) are made for these kind of applications.
But flooded, AGM, and gel batteries are also manufactured for deep cycle applications, therefore they are built with thicker plates to sustain deep discharges. It really depends on the battery itself. Battery construction does not always define the type of application it should be used for.
Reply • March 11, 2013 at 10:07 am
Reply • March 11, 2013 at 10:07 am
DavidI have four sollar pannels, rated at 15 watts each tied together going into a 7 amp regulator. There are four deep cycle 12 volt batteries that I run a 12 volt TV and a 100 watt inverter that runs my lap top. I now can not run my lap top off the 12 volt to 120 inverter. I have trouble with the batteries having dead cells. Is it something that I am doing wrong or is it bad battery? I would like to hook up a 30 volt wind turbine to the batteries, can I – should I? What should I do for this system so that I can have 12 volt power for the inverter and 12 volt TV to last through the night? Or to last a couple of days without sun light??
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 5, 2013 at 7:06 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 5, 2013 at 7:06 am
BatteryStuff TechIf your batteries have ‘dead cells’ then there is nothing you can do to fix it. I recommend replacing your batteries. By doing this, your inverter should work as intended and your problem solved.
Also, charging a 12 volt battery system with 30 volts is too high voltage.
Reply • March 5, 2013 at 9:20 am
Reply • March 5, 2013 at 9:20 am
SANNI ISMAILHello,
Can a gel battery be missed with Agm.
thanks
Reply • February 6, 2013 at 3:05 am
Can a gel battery be missed with Agm.
thanks
Reply • February 6, 2013 at 3:05 am
BatteryStuff TechWe do not recommend connecting a Gel battery with an AGM. The discharge/re-charge will be uneven and it will lead to performance issues.
Reply • February 6, 2013 at 9:14 am
Reply • February 6, 2013 at 9:14 am
ThomasThanks for the info you have been a great help I learned things I didn‘t even know I needed!!!
Reply • January 15, 2013 at 11:07 am
Reply • January 15, 2013 at 11:07 am
BatteryStuff TechYou‘re welcome. Thank you for reading our article. If it helped you, please share it with your friends!
Reply • January 15, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Reply • January 15, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Anonstarting battery is a standard west marine wet cranking battery. I was under the impression you can‘t charge a wet and AGM together…Is this true? My starter battery is only a year old and works fine, but I want to add an AGM pure deep cycle for the house battery.
thanks
Reply • January 2, 2013 at 9:58 am
Reply • January 2, 2013 at 9:58 am
BatteryStuff TechIt‘s not about whether or not you can. We just don‘t recommend it because it‘s not the most efficient way to construct battery banks. Batteries of different ages and types charge and discharge differently, and it can lead to uneven performance and early failure for one or both batteries. But technically it will work if you try to do it.
Reply • January 2, 2013 at 10:07 am
Reply • January 2, 2013 at 10:07 am
TomI have an Class B motorhome that I have used a 5 watt solar panel with no controlor to maintain the “chassis” battery when the RV is not in use. It is parked facing south and the battery has successfully been maintained for since 2007 without needing water. I hookup to power prior the departure for recharging the “house” battery which have been disconnected during storage. I also have a “cricket” (smaller that a golf cart) with 2 gel cell batteries in series for 24 volts. It has an onboard charger that charges the two batteries separtately (at the same time) when the indicator on the dash shows about 50% charge. It takes about 6-8 hours to charge the batteries. Your comments, please
Reply • January 1, 2013 at 11:43 am
Reply • January 1, 2013 at 11:43 am
BatteryStuff Tech6-8 hours of charging is perfectly fine. What is it exactly you are inquiring about?
Reply • January 2, 2013 at 9:59 am
Reply • January 2, 2013 at 9:59 am
AnonConfused if I can have a AGM house battery and a marine starting motor on the same 1/2 marine battery/charge switch…being charged by a decent size outboard motor.
thanks
Reply • December 30, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Reply • December 30, 2012 at 10:03 pm
BatteryStuff TechYou tell me, what is the issue with an AGM battery being connected to your Marine battery? Is your Marine battery a wet, AGM, or Gel battery?
Reply • January 2, 2013 at 8:44 am
Reply • January 2, 2013 at 8:44 am
FrostyI have contracted to install a Generac 27kW liquid cooled emergency generator at my home in Virginia. Should it have an AGM or Gel Cell battery? The Generac automatically comes on for 1/2 hour once a week to check all systems (to make sure it is ready for use when an electrical outage occurs).
Reply • December 29, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Reply • December 29, 2012 at 2:44 pm
BatteryStuff TechDo you already have a charger for the battery? If not, as long as the charger you buy is compatible with Gel then you can go that option. It really doesn‘t matter unless you absolutely need one of the following: a completely sealed battery, the need for severe discharge, or have extreme temperatures in your working environment.
Reply • January 2, 2013 at 8:37 am
Reply • January 2, 2013 at 8:37 am
RobertGood info, thanks! I have a question. . . I put a gel cell in my 2003 HD Road King. Initially it did not hold a charge more than 3 days and I‘d put it on a 1 volt trickle charger overnight. It has worked fine like this for a year or so. After a few months I noticed the charge beginning to last a little longer, say, 4-5 days. Is this normal? Am I damaging the gel cell by trickle charging it with 1 volt? My ‘74 BMW needs a battery. I‘d like a gel cell for the maintenance free aspect but again wondering if I would damage the cell with a 1 volt trickle. All feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Reply • Rated article 5 • December 21, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Reply • Rated article 5 • December 21, 2012 at 6:26 pm
BatteryStuff TechIt‘s probably a 1 amp trickle charger, not 1 volt. Your battery is a 12 volt battery, so it needs at least 12 volts going in. But the current (amperage) is the strength of charge. 1 amp is just fine for a gel motorcycle battery. If your battery is truly a gel-cell, then make sure your charger is compatible. Gel batteries should not be charged any higher than a rate of 14.2 volts. Regular non-gel chargers can reach as high as 14.6 volts.
Reply • December 28, 2012 at 10:50 am
Reply • December 28, 2012 at 10:50 am
RandallExcellent write up!! Its nice to have a simple explanation. I bought a scorpion AGM a couple years back and have had no complaints. My only issue is something I did not know I caused until reading this. I eneded up installing a motorcycle alarm on my bike and not thinking I parked it in my garage for a couple months with out dissconnecting the battery. Needless to say the alarm discharged it and not thinking I figured I could leave a normal 2 amp 12 volt charger on it overnight. Well next morning my garage smelled awful, it was due to the battery being overcharged and boiling out what im now sure was the little amount of liquid in it. I admit this was all my fault as I did not think when charging it or parking it. Anyways looks like ill be buying another scorpion AGM and this time a battery tender to avoid this issue. Thamks for the write up! I now finally know what I did wrong.
Reply • Rated article 5 • November 23, 2012 at 7:16 am
Reply • Rated article 5 • November 23, 2012 at 7:16 am
BatteryStuff TechSorry to hear about the loss of the original battery, but we‘re glad the mistake will not be repeated in the future. :)
Reply • November 26, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Reply • November 26, 2012 at 1:11 pm
BOB SUTTONI HOPE 5 IS THE HIGHEST., THIS WAS A VERY NICE BIT OF INFO. SIMPLE AND TO THE POINT. WRITTEN SO WE SIMPLE PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND IT. GREAT EVEN IF YOU DO NOT REALLY NEED IO KNOW ALL OF THIS GOOD INFO. IF WE LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVER DAY ONE DAY WE WILL FIND A USE FOR IT. THANKS PS TRICKY SECURITY CODE
Reply • November 4, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Reply • November 4, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Vidishow do i determine how many amp hours i need for my 12v golf cart which contains eight batteries?
Reply • September 30, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Reply • September 30, 2012 at 5:02 pm
BatteryStuff TechCan you confirm that your golf cart is a 12 volt system? Are the batteries 6 volts, 8 volts, or 12 volts? On average, golf carts run of 36 or 48 volts. But even if your cart does indeed run on 12 volts, I cannot tell you how many Amp Hours you need without knowing the draw amount and the duration of the draw.
Reply • October 1, 2012 at 10:14 am
Reply • October 1, 2012 at 10:14 am
AntonI have a motorcycle in which I would like to put and AGM battery, but it seems like all the regulator rectifiers I get for it have a voltage setpoint of 14.7V, and they usually see 14.9 or 15 on occasion. Is this too high for use with an AGM battery?
Thanks,
Anton
Reply • September 17, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Thanks,
Anton
Reply • September 17, 2012 at 11:58 pm
BatteryStuff TechHigh Performance AGM batteries like Optima and Odyssey can recieve a charge voltage as high as 15 volts, but I wouldn‘t put any other battery on it as it will be too high.
Reply • September 18, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Reply • September 18, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RichI have a battery backup system in my home consisting of eight Trojan 105 six volt, 220 amp hr. batteries connected to a Trace SW4024 inverter/charger. I am no longer able to maintain flooded batteries, so I need to replace with sealed batteries. From your article, it seems that gel cell is better for my use than AGM, but I don‘t know if I can set my charger to accomodate gel. I currently bulk charge at 28.8 volts, with a float set to 26.8 volts. Can you tell me what my settings need to be if I go with gel cell and/or AGM?
Reply • Rated article 5 • August 6, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Reply • Rated article 5 • August 6, 2012 at 4:16 pm
BatteryStuff TechThose settings are fine for AGM batteries. If you use Gel batteries, the bulk charge should be no more than 28.4 volts. Floating at 26.4 is also good for Gel.
Reply • August 7, 2012 at 9:28 am
Reply • August 7, 2012 at 9:28 am
CharlesWhich kinda batteries are best for a domestic/home windwill-energy solution‘s battery bank?
THe installation is to be designed to function independent of the power grid. REcharging may have to be by a pms-run power generating set.
Tis for a cabin that may not be on the grid in the nearest future. Thank you.
Reply • Rated article 4 • July 12, 2012 at 1:43 am
THe installation is to be designed to function independent of the power grid. REcharging may have to be by a pms-run power generating set.
Tis for a cabin that may not be on the grid in the nearest future. Thank you.
Reply • Rated article 4 • July 12, 2012 at 1:43 am
BatteryStuff TechThe best battery for long term storage and deep cycle is the gel battery. To determine how any Amp Hours worth your battery bank should be, please use our online tools. We have calculators to help you choose the correct battery size depending on the load amount.
Reply • July 12, 2012 at 9:08 am
Reply • July 12, 2012 at 9:08 am
Bbcif one is going to use a deep cycle battery for a trolling motor to putter a small boat around for a weekend, then reconnect it back to my diesel Suburban that already has two regular Interstate batteries, what would work best, AGM or Gell Cell, or Dry Cell?
i will never know how much it gets drained while i‘m using it, but i figure it could get kind of low, like 30% or so…? (only a guess.) if the Gel Cells deal with this kind of use best, then i suppose i must go that route. but would i really have to have a special regulator installed on a Gel Cell?
i used to have a massive Optima marine battery on a powerboat for years, then i wound up using it as i described above for another couple years. it eventually died, but i think i got plenty of life out of it. are Optimas Gel Cell or AGM?
i‘m so confused about which way to go. i wasted $90 on a cheap deep cycle battery from O‘Reily‘s which only lasted a handful of re-charges, and i don‘t want to make the same mistake again.
thank you all so much for all the help — this is a great resource!
Reply • June 17, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Reply • June 17, 2012 at 6:00 pm
BatteryStuff TechFor deep discharge, Gel is the best way to go. Regular charging systems will charge at a voltage that is too high and will damage gel batteries. Gel compatible chargers will charge usually no higher than 14.3 volts. With AGM, I recommend no more than 50% discharge. Optima batteries are AGM.
Reply • June 20, 2012 at 8:36 am
Reply • June 20, 2012 at 8:36 am
TimHow do I know when my AGM battery is 60% discharged or 80% discharged etc?
Reply • June 11, 2012 at 11:37 am
Reply • June 11, 2012 at 11:37 am
BatteryStuff TechHere is some helpful voltage ranges. 100% charged is 13.2V-12.8V. 75% is 12.4 V. 50% is 12.2 V. 25% is 12.0 V. Anything lower than 12 volts is extremely discharged and should be re-charged as soon as possible.
Reply • June 12, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Reply • June 12, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Capt. Mitch WittIn the mid to late 90‘s Gel Cells were state of the art. The ARE FAST recharge and offer charge and discharge profiles and life spans superior to lead-acid. Gel Cells are still premium choices particularly for “house” loads (slow discharge rates).AGM‘s are technically not as great as sales figures would
indicate. Some charging systems sold in the mid to late 90‘s which have a programmable setting for Lead Acid and Gel Cells will NOT work for AGM batteries. If the charger manual does not offer a specific setting for AGM don‘t buy AGM, they will be ruined by improper recharging. Some technicians offer he advice of setting your programmable charing system to “lead acid” for an AGM battery. This does not work. If the equipment was not specifically designed to accomodate AGM batteries – don‘t buy AGM batteries.
Reply • May 31, 2012 at 6:09 am
indicate. Some charging systems sold in the mid to late 90‘s which have a programmable setting for Lead Acid and Gel Cells will NOT work for AGM batteries. If the charger manual does not offer a specific setting for AGM don‘t buy AGM, they will be ruined by improper recharging. Some technicians offer he advice of setting your programmable charing system to “lead acid” for an AGM battery. This does not work. If the equipment was not specifically designed to accomodate AGM batteries – don‘t buy AGM batteries.
Reply • May 31, 2012 at 6:09 am
BatteryStuff TechUsing the lead-acid setting of a charger will bring charge to an AGM motorcycle battery. It‘s not going to reject it. However, high performance AGM batteries, such as Odyssey and Optima, have shown to last longer if charged with a higher voltage than what is considered safe for wet-cels and gell batteries. This “AGM” setting is nothing more than a higher voltage, as high as 15 volts sometimes, just as the “Gell” setting is a safer lower voltage, 14.3 volts tops, usually.
Reply • May 31, 2012 at 8:26 am
Reply • May 31, 2012 at 8:26 am
Jerry FilsonHi — I have an Optima 6-volt battery in my Model A Ford. Which charger do you recommend to recharge/maintain it? Thanks.
Reply • May 21, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Reply • May 21, 2012 at 12:23 pm
BatteryStuff TechPlease browse through our selection of 6 volt battery chargers/maintainers. It‘s really a preference of brand, but I recommend the Genius5 from Noco Genius.
Reply • May 22, 2012 at 9:52 am
Reply • May 22, 2012 at 9:52 am
SteveBrilliant exchange – especially for a newbie. Many Thanks!
I have a Gel vs AGM dilemma. Just bought a sort of neglected EV – no gas engine in this baby.
The 6 battery bank is Gel but I have (at least)one bad battery. I realise I cannot replace the duff Gel battery with an AGM but AGM‘s are so much more available, etc.
My questions are: 1) If i have to replace the whole bank – I am thinking AGM – am I right? 2) Do most charging devices have that Wet or AGM/Gel switch on them?
Thanks Again….steve
Reply • Rated article 5 • April 9, 2012 at 6:29 pm
I have a Gel vs AGM dilemma. Just bought a sort of neglected EV – no gas engine in this baby.
The 6 battery bank is Gel but I have (at least)one bad battery. I realise I cannot replace the duff Gel battery with an AGM but AGM‘s are so much more available, etc.
My questions are: 1) If i have to replace the whole bank – I am thinking AGM – am I right? 2) Do most charging devices have that Wet or AGM/Gel switch on them?
Thanks Again….steve
Reply • Rated article 5 • April 9, 2012 at 6:29 pm
BatteryStuff TechIf you buy new batteries, AGM is a good option. Most chargers are pre-set for wet-cel and AGM charging voltages. If there is a Gel setting, there might be a switch. It‘s less common, but some chargers do have that option.
Reply • April 10, 2012 at 10:11 am
Reply • April 10, 2012 at 10:11 am
DaveGood read. My charger has 2 battery type selections. 1-AGM & WET 2- GEL. I didn‘t know mine was a AGM it ended up being charged as a GEL. Now charger just reads fault and battery is at 7.8 volts
Have I killed it?
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 17, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Have I killed it?
Reply • Rated article 5 • March 17, 2012 at 7:55 pm
James VilleCharging an AGM with a Gel setting is not going to harm the battery. It‘s the other way around that is damaging. If the battery is reading 7.8 volts, that is very bad. Please to try recharge it correctly and promtply. Extreme discharge can lead to rapid formation of sulfation, which will shorten battery life. If the battery reads more then 6.5 volts, most automatic smart 12 volt chargers should be able to bring it back to charge. If the voltage does not reach 12 volts, there may be an short in a cell or two. If that‘s the case, the battery is useless.
Reply • March 19, 2012 at 11:12 am
Reply • March 19, 2012 at 11:12 am
John HallI am a long-term user of 12V batteries, having lived on a sailboat for almost 10 years. I concluded that gel cell btteries were the way to go for maximum life if discharged to the 50 % discharge point.
Now I am much older and in an electric wheelchair, a Pride Jazzy. I have used both AGM and gel cells in my wheelchair, finding gel cells marginally superior in longevity, if recharged at 50% or less discharge point, with three stage chargers.
1. Is there a difference between these two battery type in terms of longevity when properly maintained?
2. If not, which battery type/chemistry is better for long life?
John
Reply • Rated article 3 • March 17, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Reply • Rated article 3 • March 17, 2012 at 1:51 pm
James Villespan class="caps">AGMs and Gels both have the potential for many years of life, equally, if maintained properly. What you are doing now is good practice. ONe primary difference between the two is this. If you deeply discharged the battery (below 50%), the AGM would be damaged more than the Gel. Both will have their lifespan negatively effected by the event, but the severeity of the effect will be less for the Gel.
Reply • March 19, 2012 at 11:09 am
Reply • March 19, 2012 at 11:09 am
KenExactly what I was looking for! Thanks.
Reply • March 4, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Reply • March 4, 2012 at 8:12 pm
NevadahalfrackFinally!! A no nonsense simple and unbiased explanation of the two different oft confused power sources.
Thank you.
Reply • Rated article 5 • February 18, 2012 at 3:59 am
Thank you.
Reply • Rated article 5 • February 18, 2012 at 3:59 am
Sunil BhatnagarThe fact that Gel batteries are more superior to AGM is not promoted in right way as AGM has many far superior working qualities which Gel can not offer. AGM batteries are fast recharge batteries and are availble easily worldwide. Gel batteries have very small market share. Cost per cycle is approximately same when AGM is compared to Gel.
Reply • Rated article 2 • February 7, 2012 at 4:12 am
Reply • Rated article 2 • February 7, 2012 at 4:12 am
